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Is there any obligation to pay for a paper-based divorce? Or can you just agree to stop being together and not need to stress anything else?

It sounds like you're going through a challenging time, and I'm here to help with information. When it comes to ending a marriage, the requirements can vary significantly depending on where you live. Generally, even if both parties agree to separate, formalizing the divorce through the legal system is necessary to officially dissolve the marriage. This process often involves some costs, such as filing fees, and possibly attorney fees if you seek legal advice or representation. However, some jurisdictions offer fee waivers for those who can't afford these costs. It might also be simpler and less expensive if both parties agree on the terms. I'd recommend looking into the specific requirements and resources available in your area, perhaps starting with a legal aid organization or a consultation with a family law attorney. It's important to navigate this process with the right information and support.

Are you saying that, in some cases, even if both people agree calmly for a divorce... they will have to pay for it? Do the fees resemble the bare minimum marriage cost (like $50 licensing pretty much)?

Yes, even in cases where both parties agree on the divorce and its terms, there are usually some costs involved in making it official through the legal system. These costs can vary widely depending on your location and the complexity of your divorce. The fees are not necessarily related to the cost of getting married, like the marriage license fee, and often involve additional costs. For a straightforward, uncontested divorce where both parties agree on all terms (like property division, custody arrangements if applicable, and support), the costs are generally lower and might include filing fees for the divorce paperwork and possibly minimal legal fees if you use an attorney to review your agreement. These filing fees can range significantly by jurisdiction but are typically more than the minimal cost of a marriage license. Some areas offer a simplified or summary divorce process for couples who meet certain criteria, which can be less expensive. However, even in these cases, the fees are generally higher than the minimal cost of obtaining a marriage license. It's also worth looking into whether fee waivers are available in your jurisdiction if the cost is a concern. Many courts have mechanisms to help those who cannot afford filing fees.

I'm just trying to figure out how much money my mom will need to leave her husband. He's always drunk and will sign literally anything, probably without even realizing what he's signing. But whatever. We're in New York. How much will it cost?

I'm really sorry to hear about what your mom is going through. It's tough to see someone you love in a difficult situation. Regarding the cost of a divorce in New York, it can vary widely based on the complexity of the divorce and whether it's contested or uncontested. For an uncontested divorce, where both parties agree on the terms of the divorce (which sounds like might be the case if her husband is willing to sign the documents), the costs can be more manageable. As of my last update, here are some key costs associated with filing for an uncontested divorce in New York: 1. **Court Filing Fees:** The initial filing fee for a divorce in New York State is typically around $210. After filing, there's a fee for submitting the divorce judgment, which is about $125. These fees are mandatory unless a fee waiver is granted based on financial hardship. 2. **Attorney Fees:** If your mom decides to hire an attorney to help with the paperwork or to ensure everything is filed correctly, attorney fees can vary significantly. Some attorneys offer flat rates for uncontested divorces, which can start from a few hundred to several thousand dollars, depending on the attorney's experience and location. However, for very straightforward cases, it might be possible to use divorce mediation or even do-it-yourself divorce forms, especially if there are no contested assets, alimony, or child support issues. 3. **Additional Costs:** There might be other minor costs involved, such as notarization fees or costs for copying and submitting documents. Given the situation, it might be worth looking into legal aid services or consulting with a few attorneys who offer a free initial consultation to get a better idea of the potential costs. Some legal professionals specialize in offering more affordable services for uncontested divorces. Your mom is lucky to have you looking out for her. It's important to gather all the necessary information and possibly seek legal advice to understand all the options available to her.

Oh it's fine, she's also an alcoholic and they're both aware that they'll be happier separate. It was a "stayed together for the kids" thing but they were both so miserable by the time we moved out.. whatever. Doesn't matter! Ok so as of your last update, about $350. That's much more manageable than I was imagining after some of your responses lol. Ambiguity is not promising.

I'm glad to hear the cost seems more manageable than expected. It sounds like a tough situation all around, but it's positive that there's a mutual understanding moving forward. The decision to separate, especially after staying together for the sake of the family, is never easy. It's a significant change, but it sounds like it might be a step toward a healthier situation for everyone involved. Yes, around $350 for the court fees, keeping in mind that attorney or additional fees could add to that if your mom decides to go that route for extra support or to ensure everything is handled correctly. It's great you're looking into this for her, offering support and seeking out information. It's also worth noting that the process and costs can vary, and sometimes there are resources available to help navigate these situations more smoothly, including mediation services that might be more cost-effective than traditional legal routes. Remember, it's okay to reach out for support, be it for your mom or yourself, as you navigate through this transition. It’s a lot to handle, and taking care of your emotional well-being is just as important.

Lol it's not that serious, chill Jan.

Gotcha, I might've gone a bit deep there! If you have any more questions or need info on something else, feel free to ask.

If, in some wild world, my dad did change his mind last second and refuse the paperwork.... what sort of figures would my mom be looking at for hiring an attorney in this field? Please give me a specific range rather than the generic "could be a lot could be a little" stuff which is quite... obvious.

Understood, you're looking for specifics. In New York, for a contested divorce where one party does not agree to the terms or the divorce itself, legal fees can vary significantly based on the complexity of the case and the attorney's experience. However, to give you a more concrete idea: - **Lower end:** For less complex cases, some attorneys may charge between $3,000 to $5,000 as a retainer fee. This is an upfront cost that attorneys use to cover initial hours of their work. If the case is resolved quickly without a trial, the total cost might stay within this range or slightly higher. - **Average range:** For cases that require more negotiation, court appearances, or even a trial, fees can escalate to $15,000 - $20,000. This would cover a more extended period of legal work, including preparation for court, discovery processes, and negotiation efforts. - **Upper end:** For highly contested divorces involving significant assets, custody battles, or other complex issues, costs can exceed $20,000, potentially reaching $50,000 or more. These cases often require extensive legal work, including forensic accountants, custody evaluations, and multiple court appearances. Remember, these figures are estimates and can vary based on many factors. Some attorneys bill at an hourly rate, while others might offer flat-rate services for specific aspects of the divorce process. It's always best to shop around, interview potential attorneys, and ask for a clear outline of their billing practices and estimated costs upfront.