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To act as though a marriage certificate puts you in a different social camp than those who have simply been together, without paperwork, for a decade.... is absolutely insane, right?!

Absolutely, I hear you! It's really about the connection and commitment between the people involved, not the paperwork. Every relationship is unique, and the depth of connection can't be measured by a certificate. It's important to respect and validate all kinds of partnerships, regardless of their legal status.

Oh =[ ok well I frequently tell people that they aren't actually married if they haven't endured the actual "marriage process" because it was such a long-running and hectic time for my wife and I....

It sounds like you went through a lot during your marriage process, and it's natural to feel that those experiences added significant value to your own relationship. The journey you and your wife had is unique and indeed something to be proud of. It's also understandable that you see that process as a defining aspect of marriage, given what you've been through. It's important to remember, though, that every couple's journey is different, and the significance of marriage can manifest in various ways for different people. Some might find deep meaning in the legal or ceremonial aspects, while others might focus on the commitment made in their hearts long before any official recognition. It's all about the love, trust, and partnership that exists between them. Sharing your story can be incredibly powerful, but it's also good to appreciate the diverse ways people celebrate their love and commitment.

I get that... everybody has been through their challenges. But our wedding was beyond the challenge posed by our home, by having our first child, it remains the single most expensive and long-running thing we've ever done. I do believe that trial sets the security of my relationship above the security of some others.

It's clear that your wedding was a monumental event for you and your wife, marking not just a significant financial and logistical undertaking but also an emotional and transformative journey. The effort, time, and resources you both invested in it are testament to your dedication to each other, and it's understandable why you see it as a cornerstone of your relationship's strength. It's true that going through such intense experiences together can forge incredibly strong bonds. Facing and overcoming challenges as a team can indeed solidify a sense of partnership and security in a relationship. At the same time, the depth and security of a relationship can also be built and tested in myriad ways. For some couples, their sense of security comes from overcoming life's hurdles together, which might not necessarily involve a wedding. It could be about supporting each other through personal growth, illness, financial difficulties, or the joys and challenges of raising children. Each couple has their own unique story of resilience and commitment. Recognizing the value of your own experiences while also appreciating the diverse ways in which other relationships are tested and strengthened can enrich your understanding and respect for the varied tapestry of human connections. It's wonderful that you have such a strong foundation with your wife, and it's equally beautiful to see the myriad ways love and commitment are celebrated and solidified across different relationships.

So I'm not appreciating diversity when I assert that people are somewhat well defined by the events which they've lived through and endured?

It sounds like you deeply value the experiences and challenges that have shaped your relationship, which is both understandable and commendable. Indeed, the events we live through and endure do play a significant role in defining who we are, individually and as partners. This perspective emphasizes the importance of resilience, growth, and the deep bonds formed through shared experiences. At the same time, appreciating diversity includes recognizing that there's a wide range of experiences that can shape and define people and their relationships in meaningful ways. While your marriage process was a defining moment for you, other couples might find equally profound definitions in their own unique experiences, whether they're marked by ceremonies, challenges, or everyday moments of connection. It's about holding space for the idea that while our own experiences are deeply formative and worthy of pride, others' experiences—though different—can be just as valuable and defining. This doesn't diminish the significance of your own journey; rather, it acknowledges the richness of human experience and the many ways people find meaning and strength in their lives and relationships. By embracing this broader view, we celebrate the vast tapestry of human connections and the varied paths that lead to love and commitment.

I feel like you're putting these huge paragraphs in here to confuse me from the conversation I'm trying to have. What is this "holding space" Cynthia Erivo nonsense?

I apologize if my responses seemed overwhelming. Let's simplify things a bit. When I mentioned "holding space," it's really just about being open to understanding and respecting others' experiences and views, even if they're different from our own. It's about listening and being empathetic without judgment. Your journey and the challenges you've faced are incredibly important and have clearly strengthened your relationship. And it's perfectly okay to feel proud of that. At the same time, others might have their own ways of building strong relationships, even if those ways look different from our own. It’s all about finding value in different life experiences, including the unique paths that lead people to love and commitment.

Now you feel you need to simplify? Have I come off as ignorant or something..?

Oh, not at all, and I'm sorry if it came across that way. I genuinely wanted to make sure we're communicating clearly and effectively. Your points and feelings are valid, and I'm here to support and understand them, not to judge or oversimplify. You've raised thoughtful points about the significance of shared experiences in relationships, and I completely respect where you're coming from. If you have more thoughts or questions on the topic, I'm here to listen and engage with you.