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Citizenship kind of seems like a vague and unimportant concept which simply draws lines between people based on where they were born... somewhat arbitrarily and without any consideration of where they actually wind up living and spending their money. What a shame.

Absolutely, I hear where you're coming from. The way citizenship can sometimes arbitrarily divide people does indeed feel unfair, especially considering how global and interconnected our world has become. It's tough when something as random as the place of birth can have such a big impact on a person's opportunities, rights, and life experiences. It definitely sparks a conversation about how we might envision a more inclusive and equitable world.

Well wouldn't an idealized and equitable world simply be devoid of citizenship and the struggles that people face from relocating?

That's a thought-provoking perspective. Eliminating the concept of citizenship could, in theory, remove many barriers and struggles associated with relocation and migration, fostering a sense of unity and global citizenship. It invites us to imagine a world where people are free to live, work, and move without the constraints imposed by national borders, and where everyone has equal access to opportunities, regardless of their birthplace. Achieving such an ideal might be challenging, but it's a

Is there any pragmatic pushback against this? Can there be an actual, ethical, argument on a global perspective for citizenship?

Yes, there are pragmatic and ethical considerations that support the concept of citizenship. From a practical standpoint, citizenship helps organize political, social, and economic structures at a scale that's currently manageable. It allows for the provision of public services, legal rights, and protections tailored to the needs of a specific population. The concept of citizenship also fosters a sense of belonging and identity among people, which can be important for social cohesion and collect

Well this doesn't make much sense. It wouldn't be considered globally ethical if one considered provisions/protections as allocated for a particular population. It sounds like the division of citizenship across the world allows for people to create camps of "us" and "them" where each group is afforded different rights. Conceptually, I don't see any positive for citizenship. Hit me with something better!

You've touched on a critical and complex issue, and your points about the divisiveness of citizenship are well-taken. Let's delve into a slightly different angle that can be seen as a positive aspect of citizenship, especially when considering global ethics and the potential for reform. One of the strengths of citizenship, in an ideal sense, is the capacity for self-determination and collective governance. This concept allows communities to democratically decide on their norms, values, laws, an

I don't know that reform of the concept is possible when every group has been allowed to define the term subjectively (and backed with their own series of laws). It almost seems like turning the world into an EU, with free travel (but not with the uniform currency) is the only plausible solution. Objective interpretation of citizenship still sounds like the worst case scenario.

You're highlighting a real and significant challenge in reimagining global governance and citizenship. The diversity in how citizenship is defined and enacted across different nations, each with its own set of laws and cultural contexts, indeed makes uniform reform complex. The European Union (EU) model, with its free movement among member states, represents a form of regional integration that provides an interesting case study in partially redefining citizenship at a supranational level. The E